On TheCutPodcast, ascentofjazmin talks with journalist kath_walsh her mom, who have very different opinions about abortion
Photo-Illustration: by The Cut; Photos: Getty Images On this week’s episode of The Cut, co-host Jazmín Aguilera talks with journalist Kathleen Walsh and her mom about abortion. Kathleen just published a story on the Cut called “Talking About Abortion With My Mom.” While the two speak with Jazmín, she asks the hard questions, like if Kathleen has ever gotten an abortion and how hard it must have been for Nicole, her mom, to become pregnant at 21.
I felt like I was madly in love, and we decided that no matter what happened at the end of the summer, we would make it work. There are no doctors on the island, you can’t get the pill. I couldn’t … you know. So I was buying the Today Sponge, which it turns out didn’t work, but it was very expensive. NICOLE: Well … So I got off the island. I was carsick all the way home on the bus. I didn’t know what was wrong. I went out to dinner with my cousin.
NICOLE: Yeah. I had just finished my third year of college. I went back to Grandma’s, called my mother, which was a mistake because my mother was crazy and she got all mad that I had ruined her life somehow, and she was like, “You have to have an abortion, you have to have an abortion.” And then she proceeded to tell everyone I was pregnant. I’m like, “If you really wanted me to have an abortion, why did you tell everyone I was pregnant?” I needed support.JAZMIN: Oh my God.
JAZMIN: Does the idea of abortion make you think about this moment for you and this decision for you and Katie? NICOLE: It’s not just my personal experience. Until you are pregnant, you don’t know how you will feel about that fetus inside you, you don’t know that. NICOLE: Not all mothers, not all mothers, but I would say the majority of them, yeah. She doesn’t think that me being a mother matters in this discussion. I feel like that experience, in her mind, shouldn’t matter as far as this discussion, and it does matter. And it matters to a lot of people. That does color the situation; it colors how you feel about unborn people. There’s no way for it not to. And I really do believe that most mothers do feel a connection to their child before it’s born.
NICOLE: I do have a strong opinion. I don’t feel like I have the right to dictate them to other people, although I don’t really agree with abortion as a good choice if you can avoid it. I would never do it, but I’m not about to say a baby is not a baby, inside of me, that is moving. That’s not about to change and it’s not about the change that I think when a baby has a heartbeat and hands and feet and all that … that opinion is not changing.
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